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What you’ll learn

The three-word starter set: 哥 (gē) and 姐 (jiě) for anyone a bit older than you but not of your parents' generation — two years older up to fifteen — and 老师 (lǎo shī), which left school long ago and now lands on anyone with a craft. The hard rule underneath: sooner call someone younger than older. A thirty-five-year-old called 姐 smiles; called 阿姨 (ā yí) she remembers you for a year.; Formal settings run on surname plus title, always rounded up: a deputy manager is 李经理, a deputy director is 王总. Say 副 (fù) aloud and you have reminded him he is one rung short. 小王 and 老王 each carry a position, so use the trick that beats any word list: listen to what others call him, follow them, one notch politer. They say 老王, you say 王哥.; The street list you use daily: 师傅 (shī fu) for any hands-on skill — drivers, repairmen, cooks, any age or gender; 老板 (lǎo bǎn) for any man behind a small counter, because the word lifts people; and 美女 (měi nǚ) / 帅哥 (shuài gē), which are not compliments but simply hello, with three situations to avoid. Meanwhile 服务员 is quietly going out of style.

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小悦Leo,我跟你打个赌。

Leo, I want to make you a bet.

Leo赌什么?

A bet on what?

小悦今天上午进来四个人,你要是都叫对了,这个月的蛋糕我全请。

Four people came into the shop this morning. If you called all four of them the right thing, cake is on me for the rest of the month.

Leo这也太容易了吧。

That sounds far too easy.

小悦那我们回放一下。送货的那个小伙子,你怎么叫他的?

Then let's play it back. The young guy delivering the boxes — what did you call him?

Leo先生。

Xiansheng. Sir.

小悦错。第一个。

Wrong. That's one.

Leo他确实是一位先生啊。

But he genuinely is a sir.

小悦你冲着一个送货的小伙子喊先生,他会以为你要卖东西给他。

Yell xiansheng at a young delivery guy in China and he'll assume you're trying to sell him something.

Leo那窗边那位六十多岁的女士呢?

All right, what about the lady by the window, the one in her sixties?

小悦你叫的是女士。

You called her nüshi. Madam.

Leo这不是很礼貌吗?

Isn't that polite?

小悦礼貌,但是很远。远到她会想,这个人是不是来查什么的。

Polite, but far away. So far away that she starts wondering whether you came to inspect something.

Leo那隔壁开花店的,我叫他老板,总没问题吧。

Fine. The man from the flower shop next door — I called him laoban, boss. That has to be fine.

小悦这个算你蒙对了,但也只是蒙对。

That one you got right by luck. Luck, nothing more.

Leo最后一个,帮我们切水果的那个姑娘,我叫她小姐。

Last one. The girl cutting fruit in the back — I called her xiaojie, miss.

小悦停。这一个最严重。

Stop. That one is the serious one.

Leo小姐怎么了?在英国这样叫很正常。

What's wrong with xiaojie? In England that is completely normal.

小悦在中国大陆,单独一个小姐,很多地方是骂人的。

In mainland China, xiaojie on its own is, in a lot of places, an insult.

Leo什么?我用了大半年了。

What? I have been using it for most of a year.

小悦所以你的蛋糕没了。四个人,你踩了三个雷。

So there goes your cake. Four people, three landmines.

Leo我一直以为叫人是中文里最简单的事。

I always thought calling people was the easiest thing in Chinese.

小悦在英文里是。在中文里,你还没开始说事,光是叫人这一下,关系就定好了。

In English it is. In Chinese, before you have said anything at all, that one word has already fixed the relationship.

小悦先问你,在英国你想叫住一个不认识的人,你说什么?

Let me ask you this. In England, when you want to stop a stranger, what do you say?

LeoExcuse me。

Excuse me.

小悦然后呢?

And then?

Leo知道姓就说 Mister 加姓,或者 Miss 加姓。不知道就什么都不加。

If I know the surname, Mister plus surname, or Miss plus surname. If I don't, I add nothing at all.

小悦所以你有一把万能钥匙。

So you have a master key.

Leo可以这么说。

You could put it that way.

小悦中文没有这把钥匙,没有一个词是对谁都能用又不会出错的。

Chinese has no master key. There is no word that works on everyone and never goes wrong.

Leo一个都没有?

Not a single one?

小悦一个都没有。你只能在一秒钟之内判断五件事。

Not one. All you can do is judge five things inside one second.

Leo哪五件?

Which five?

小悦他多大、你们谁高谁低、他做什么的、你们熟不熟、什么场合。

How old he is, which of you ranks higher, what he does, how close you are, and what kind of setting this is.

Leo五件事,一秒钟?

Five things, in one second?

小悦中国人从小练的就是这个。判断完了,那个词自己就出来了。

That is what Chinese people have been practising since they were small. Once the judgment is made, the word comes out by itself.

Leo这比声调难多了。

This is harder than tones.

小悦因为它不是语言问题,是关系问题。

Because it isn't a language problem. It's a relationship problem.

小悦英文的称呼是贴在人身上的一张标签,谁看都一样。

An English form of address is a label stuck onto a person. It reads the same to everyone.

Leo那中文的呢?

And the Chinese one?

小悦中文的称呼是画在你和他中间的一条线。

A Chinese form of address is a line drawn between you and him.

Leo一条线?

A line?

小悦这条线说明你们有多近,谁在上面,谁在下面。

That line says how close the two of you are, who is above and who is below.

Leo所以我叫错人,不是用错词,是把线画错了。

So when I call someone the wrong thing, I haven't picked the wrong word. I've drawn the line in the wrong place.

小悦对。你叫那位老太太女士,等于把线画到十米以外。

Exactly. Calling that old lady nüshi drew the line ten metres away from her.

Leo可我是想表示尊重。

But I was trying to show respect.

小悦这就是外国人最容易掉的坑,你以为尊重就是拉开距离。

And that is the hole foreigners fall into most. You assume respect means opening up distance.

Leo在英国确实是,越正式越尊重。

In England it does. The more formal, the more respectful.

小悦在中国,尊重常常是往近了叫。

In China, respect usually means calling someone closer.

Leo往近了叫?

Calling them closer?

小悦把不认识的人,叫成一个认识的人。

Calling a stranger by the name of someone you already know.

Leo比如?

Such as?

小悦叫哥、叫姐、叫叔叔、叫阿姨。这些词本来全是亲戚。

Ge, jie, shushu, ayi — brother, sister, uncle, auntie. Every one of those words started out as a relative.

Leo可他们不是我的亲戚。

But they aren't my relatives.

小悦不是。但你一叫,气氛马上就软了。

No. But the moment you say it, the air in the room softens.

Leo所以中文是把陌生人放进家里?

So Chinese puts strangers inside the family?

小悦说得非常准。中文的称呼,是先把对方摆进一个家里的位置。

That is exactly it. A Chinese form of address first places the other person somewhere inside a family.

小悦所以今天我们不背词表,先弄懂一件事。

So today we are not memorising a word list. First we get one thing straight.

Leo什么事?

Which is?

小悦中文的称呼不求准,求让对方舒服。

Chinese forms of address don't aim to be accurate. They aim to make the other person comfortable.

Leo不求准?

Not accurate?

小悦一个不太准但让人高兴的称呼,永远比一个准确又冷冰冰的强。

A slightly inaccurate word that makes someone happy always beats an accurate one that is ice cold.

小悦先给你三个词,能解决你一半的问题。

Let me give you three words. They will solve half your problems.

Leo我准备好了。

I'm ready.

小悦哥、姐、老师。

Ge, jie, laoshi.

Leo就这三个?

Just those three?

小悦就这三个。先说哥和姐。

Just those three. Start with ge and jie.

Leo这不是亲哥亲姐吗?

Aren't those your actual brother and sister?

小悦在中国,一大半叫哥叫姐的人,都没有血缘关系。

In China, more than half the people being called ge and jie are not related by blood at all.

Leo那什么人可以叫哥?

So who gets called ge?

小悦看起来比你大一点,但又不到长辈那一辈的男的。

A man who looks a little older than you, but not old enough to belong to your parents' generation.

Leo大一点是多少?

How much is a little older?

小悦大你两三岁,到大你十五岁,都行。

Two or three years older, all the way up to fifteen years older. All fine.

Leo范围这么宽?

That wide a range?

小悦因为你不是在报年龄,你是在表态。

Because you are not reporting his age. You are taking a position.

Leo表什么态?

What position?

小悦我把你当自己人,而且我把你放在我上面一点点。

I am treating you as one of us, and I am placing you a little above me.

Leo那姐呢?

And jie?

小悦姐更好用,也更危险。

Jie is more useful, and more dangerous.

Leo怎么讲?

How so?

小悦三十岁上下的女性,叫姐几乎不会错。

For a woman around thirty, jie is almost never wrong.

Leo那五十多岁的呢?

And a woman in her fifties?

小悦五十多还叫姐,有的人会觉得你在讨好她。

Call a woman in her fifties jie and some of them will feel you are buttering them up.

Leo那我叫什么?

Then what do I call her?

小悦很多人会叫阿姨,可是阿姨这个词这些年在变。

A lot of people would say ayi, auntie. But ayi has been shifting these last few years.

Leo怎么变?

Shifting how?

小悦很多五十多岁的女性不喜欢被叫阿姨,那一下就把自己叫老了。

Plenty of women in their fifties don't like being called ayi. That one word ages them on the spot.

Leo那怎么办?

So what do I do?

小悦记住一条,宁可把对方叫年轻,不要把对方叫老。

Remember one rule. Sooner call someone younger than they are than older.

Leo宁可叫年轻。

Sooner call them younger.

小悦三十五岁被叫姐,最多笑一下;被叫阿姨,能记你一年。

A thirty-five-year-old called jie will smile at most. Called ayi, she will remember you for a year.

Leo这句我记住了。

That one I'm keeping.

小悦哥和姐还能跟姓一起用。他姓王,就是王哥。

Ge and jie also work with a surname. If his surname is Wang, he is Wang ge.

Leo王哥。

Wang ge.

小悦姓李的女同事,李姐。也可以用名字,她叫小丽,就是丽姐。

A female colleague surnamed Li is Li jie. A given name works too — if she is Xiao Li, she becomes Li jie.

Leo那我可以叫你悦姐吗?

Then can I call you Yue jie?

小悦可以,但你今天还没有资格。

You can. But today you haven't earned it yet.

Leo叫一声还要资格?

Saying one word has to be earned?

小悦我们最后再说这个。第三个词,老师。

We'll come back to that at the end. Third word — laoshi.

Leo老师不是教书的吗?

Isn't laoshi someone who teaches?

小悦这个最有意思。老师这个词早就跑出学校了。

This is the interesting one. Laoshi escaped from school a long time ago.

Leo跑到哪里去了?

Escaped to where?

小悦跑到所有有本事的人身上。

Onto anyone who is good at something.

Leo这话怎么说?

Meaning what?

小悦出版社、电视台、做设计的、写东西的、拍照片的,全都互相叫老师。

Publishing houses, television, designers, writers, photographers — they all call each other laoshi.

Leo一个摄影师也叫老师?

A photographer gets called laoshi?

小悦叫他王老师,他会觉得你懂规矩。

Call him Wang laoshi and he will think you know how things work.

Leo那如果他其实不怎么厉害呢?

What if he isn't actually all that good?

小悦那也叫。这里的意思不是他教过你,是我尊重你这一行。

Call him that anyway. Here it doesn't mean he taught you. It means I respect your line of work.

Leo所以老师是一张安全牌。

So laoshi is a safe card.

小悦非常安全。在中国的公司里实在不知道叫什么,就叫老师。

Very safe. In a Chinese office, when you truly have no idea what to say, say laoshi.

Leo那我见谁都叫老师?

So I call everyone I meet laoshi?

小悦那也不行。你去菜市场叫卖菜的老师,人家会以为你在开玩笑。

No, not that either. Walk into a vegetable market and call the seller laoshi and they will think you are joking.

Leo所以老师是给脑子的,师傅是给手艺的?

So laoshi is for the mind and shifu is for the hands?

小悦你自己就推出来了,师傅等一下细说。

You worked that out yourself. We'll do shifu properly in a minute.

Leo所以不知道怎么叫就用哥或者姐,做事的场合就用老师。

So when I don't know, ge or jie. When there is work involved, laoshi.

小悦完全正确。这两条能救你八成的场面。

Exactly right. Those two will save you in eight situations out of ten.

小悦接下来是正式一点的场合,有一个规律你一定要记住。

Next, slightly more formal settings. There is one pattern you absolutely have to remember.

Leo你说。

Go ahead.

小悦姓加职务,而且职务要往上取整。

Surname plus job title — and round the title up.

Leo往上取整?这是数学吗?

Round it up? Is this maths?

小悦差不多。他是副经理,你叫他李经理,把副字去掉。

More or less. He is a deputy manager, so you call him Manager Li and drop the word deputy.

Leo不用说副?

I don't say deputy?

小悦不但不用,你说了他还会不高兴。

Not only do you not say it — say it and he will be annoyed.

Leo为什么?

Why?

小悦那个副字等于当着大家的面提醒他,他还差一级。

Because that word deputy is you reminding him, in front of everyone, that he is one rung short.

Leo那副总呢?

And a deputy director?

小悦叫王总。在中国的公司里,你几乎听不到有人喊副总。

You call him Wang zong. In a Chinese company you almost never hear anyone say deputy director out loud.

小悦还有职业型的,张医生、刘律师、陈老师。

There is also the profession type — Doctor Zhang, Lawyer Liu, Teacher Chen.

Leo这些都是姓在前面。

The surname comes first in all of those.

小悦对,中文永远是姓在前,身份在后,跟英文正好反过来。

Right. In Chinese the surname is always first and the role second. English does it the other way around.

Leo英文是先说身份,再说姓。

English says the role first, then the surname.

小悦所以你说医生张,别人会以为你在说绕口令。

So if you say it the English way round, yisheng Zhang, people will think you are reciting a tongue twister.

Leo那什么时候可以直接叫名字?

So when can I just use someone's name?

小悦这是今天第二难的部分,我们说小和老。

This is the second hardest part of today. Let's talk about xiao and lao, little and old.

Leo小王和老王?

Xiao Wang and Lao Wang?

小悦你已经听过了。

You have heard them already.

Leo听过,但一直不敢用。

I have, but I have never dared use them.

小悦不敢是对的。这两个字都带着一个位置。

Not daring was correct. Both of those words carry a position with them.

Leo什么位置?

What position?

小悦叫小王的人,通常比小王大,或者比他高一级。

Whoever says Xiao Wang is usually older than Xiao Wang, or one level above him.

Leo所以老板可以叫小王,我不可以?

So the boss can say Xiao Wang and I can't?

小悦你刚来半年,叫一个四十岁的同事小王,他会记住的。

You have been here six months. Call a forty-year-old colleague Xiao Wang and he will remember it.

Leo那老王呢?听起来很亲切。

And Lao Wang? That sounds warm.

小悦老王更亲切,也更需要交情。

Lao Wang is warmer, and it needs more history between you.

Leo需要多少交情?

How much history?

小悦一起吃过好几顿饭的那种。

The kind where you have had several meals together.

Leo那我现在什么都不能叫了?

So right now I can't call anyone anything?

小悦你有一个办法,比任何词表都好用。

You have one method that beats any word list.

小悦听别人怎么叫他,你跟着叫,但往客气的方向降一档。

Listen to what other people call him, follow them, and then step one notch toward the polite end.

Leo降一档?

One notch?

小悦别人叫他老王,你叫王哥。别人叫他小王,你叫王老师。

They say Lao Wang, you say Wang ge. They say Xiao Wang, you say Wang laoshi.

Leo这不就是偷听吗。

That's just eavesdropping.

小悦不叫偷听,叫会看眼色。

It isn't eavesdropping. It's reading the room.

Leo会看眼色。

Reading the room.

小悦一个会看眼色的外国人,比背了三百个称呼的外国人受欢迎得多。

A foreigner who reads the room is far more welcome than a foreigner who memorised three hundred forms of address.

Leo那全名呢?三个字都叫出来。

And full names? Saying all three characters out loud.

小悦那是一个信号。正式场合叫全名是点名,是宣布,是走流程。

That is a signal. In formal settings a full name means a roll call, an announcement, a procedure.

Leo那在家里呢?

And at home?

小悦在家里,你妈妈叫你全名,那就是出事了。

At home, when your mother uses your full name, something has gone wrong.

Leo这个全世界都一样。

That part is the same everywhere on earth.

小悦所以朋友之间几乎不叫全名,要么只叫名字,要么起外号。

So friends almost never use full names. Either just the given name, or a nickname.

Leo我的中文名是陆子谦,朋友会叫我什么?

My Chinese name is Lu Ziqian. What would friends call me?

小悦子谦。关系特别好的,会叫谦谦。

Ziqian. And the really close ones would say Qianqian.

Leo谦谦听起来像在叫小孩。

Qianqian sounds like you are calling a child.

小悦叠字就是这个作用,把人叫小、叫软、叫近。

That is exactly what doubling a syllable does. It calls someone smaller, softer, closer.

Leo那出了公司呢?街上、店里,我到底怎么叫人?

And outside the office? On the street, in shops — what do I actually call people?

小悦这是你每天用得最多的,我给你一份清单。

This is the part you will use most every day, so let me give you a list.

Leo请讲。

Please.

小悦第一个,师傅。

Number one, shifu.

Leo这个我在出租车上听过。

I have heard that one in taxis.

小悦师傅是给手艺的。开车的、修东西的、装空调的、做菜的,都叫师傅。

Shifu is for craft. Drivers, repairmen, air conditioner installers, cooks — all shifu.

Leo不分年龄?

Regardless of age?

小悦不分年龄也不分男女,二十五岁的修车工也是师傅。

Regardless of age and of gender. A twenty-five-year-old mechanic is a shifu too.

Leo那它跟老师有什么不一样?

How is it different from laoshi?

小悦老师尊重的是他懂,师傅尊重的是他会做。

Laoshi respects that he knows. Shifu respects that he can do.

Leo一个懂,一个会做。

One knows, one does.

小悦而且师傅特别稳,几乎叫不错。

And shifu is rock solid. You almost cannot get it wrong.

Leo那第二个呢?

And number two?

小悦老板。它不只是店主。

Laoban. And it isn't only shop owners.

Leo那是什么?

Then what else?

小悦在小店里,你对着任何一个男的说老板来两个包子,都行。

In a small shop you can say laoban, two buns please, to any man standing there, and it works.

Leo就算他不是老板?

Even if he isn't the boss?

小悦他心里会舒服一下。这个词是在抬人。

He will feel a little good about it. That word lifts people.

Leo抬人。

Lifts people.

小悦中文的称呼有一半的功夫,都花在抬人上面。

Half the craft of Chinese address is spent on lifting people.

Leo那女的呢?

And women?

小悦也叫老板。有人叫老板娘,可老板娘本来是老板的太太。

Also laoban. Some people say laobanniang, but laobanniang originally meant the boss's wife.

Leo那等于把她的店说成了别人的。

So that turns her own shop into somebody else's.

小悦所以现在越来越多人直接叫老板。

Which is why more and more people simply say laoban.

Leo明白了。第三个?

Got it. Number three?

小悦美女和帅哥。

Meinü and shuaige — beauty and handsome guy.

Leo这两个我一直不敢用,太直接了。

Those two I have never dared use. They are too direct.

小悦因为你把它当成夸奖了。它不是夸奖,是招呼。

Because you are treating them as compliments. They aren't compliments. They are a way of saying hello.

Leo招呼?

Hello?

小悦在南方的很多店里,美女这两个字就等于一句你好。

In a lot of shops in the south, meinü is simply the word for hello.

Leo跟长相没关系?

Nothing to do with how someone looks?

小悦一点关系都没有。八十岁的老太太在菜市场也会被叫美女。

Nothing whatsoever. An eighty-year-old woman gets called meinü at the vegetable market.

Leo那我什么时候不能用?

When can't I use it?

小悦三个场合别用。第一,正式的工作场合,比如开会。

Three situations to avoid. One, formal work settings, a meeting for instance.

小悦第二,对方明显比你大很多,而且很严肃。

Two, when the person is clearly much older than you and quite serious.

Leo第三呢?

And three?

小悦第三,你是个男的,而且你们两个人在一个很安静的地方。

Three, you are a man and the two of you are alone somewhere very quiet.

小悦这三条以外随便用,买水果、买衣服、叫服务员都可以。

Outside those three, use it freely. Buying fruit, buying clothes, getting a waiter's attention.

Leo说到服务员,我在餐厅一直很紧张。

Speaking of waiters, restaurants make me nervous.

小悦因为服务员这三个字,现在很多年轻人不太愿意喊。

Because a lot of young people are now reluctant to shout fuwuyuan.

Leo为什么?

Why?

小悦因为它太像在指挥人。现在大家更爱说你好,或者不好意思。

Because it sounds too much like ordering someone around. People prefer ni hao now, or bu hao yi si.

Leo不好意思我们专门讲过一期。

Bu hao yi si — we did a whole episode on that one.

小悦对,它在这里就是敲门用的。你把手举一下,说一句你好。

We did, and here it is just a knock on the door. Raise your hand a little and say ni hao.

Leo那如果店里很吵呢?

And if the place is very loud?

小悦那就喊帅哥或者美女,比喊服务员好听。

Then call out shuaige or meinü. It lands better than fuwuyuan.

Leo还有别的吗?

Anything else?

小悦还有两个词你必须知道,但是千万别用,同志和小姐。

Two more words you have to know but must never use — tongzhi and xiaojie.

Leo同志我在老电影里听过。

Tongzhi I have heard in old films.

小悦以前男的女的都叫同志,现在你一说,别人会觉得你从上个世纪来的。

Men and women were all called tongzhi once. Say it today and people will think you walked out of the last century.

Leo我听说它还有别的意思。

I have heard it has another meaning as well.

小悦对,它现在也用来说同性恋,所以你更要小心。

It does. It is also used now to mean gay, which is one more reason to be careful.

Leo那小姐呢?就是我早上踩的那个雷。

And xiaojie? The landmine I stepped on this morning.

小悦小姐这两个字单独用,在很多地方指的是做那种生意的女人。

Xiaojie on its own, in a lot of places, refers to a woman in that line of business.

Leo可是英文里的 Miss 是很普通的一个词。

But Miss in English is a completely ordinary word.

小悦所以是翻译害了你,字典就是这么对上的。

So the translation is what got you. That is exactly how the dictionary lines them up.

Leo那我完全不能说?

So I can never say it?

小悦单独用不行,加了姓就没问题。王小姐、李小姐,很正常。

Not on its own. With a surname it is fine. Wang xiaojie, Li xiaojie, perfectly normal.

Leo为什么加个姓就变了?

Why does adding a surname change it?

小悦加了姓它就正式了,正式的地方那个坏意思进不来。

The surname makes it formal, and the bad meaning cannot get into a formal place.

Leo那小姐姐呢?我在网上看到很多。

What about xiao jiejie? I see it online constantly.

小悦小姐姐可以,是年轻人的说法,但别对着五十岁的人说。

Xiao jiejie is fine. It is how young people talk. Just don't say it to someone who is fifty.

Leo我今天等于捡回来半条命。

I have basically got half my life back today.

小悦这一段你要是只记一件事,就记住,别单独说小姐。

If you remember one thing from this section, remember this. Never say xiaojie on its own.

Leo那家里的呢?我每次去奶奶家过年,都不敢开口。

And family? Every New Year at my grandmother's house I don't dare open my mouth.

小悦亲戚称呼是全世界最复杂的一套,中文排第一。

Relative terms are the most complicated system in the world, and Chinese comes first.

Leo英文里叔叔伯伯舅舅全是同一个词。

In English, shushu, bobo and jiujiu are all the same word.

小悦中文里,你爸爸的哥哥和你爸爸的弟弟,是两个词。

In Chinese, your father's older brother and your father's younger brother are two different words.

Leo真的分开?

Genuinely separate?

小悦爸爸的哥哥叫伯伯,爸爸的弟弟叫叔叔。

Your father's older brother is bobo. His younger brother is shushu.

Leo那妈妈的兄弟呢?

And your mother's brothers?

小悦不管比妈妈大还是小,都叫舅舅。

Older or younger than her, they are all jiujiu.

Leo为什么妈妈那边就不分了?

Why does your mother's side stop splitting?

小悦因为在老规矩里,爸爸那边算自己家,妈妈那边算亲戚。

Because under the old rules, your father's side counted as your own family and your mother's side counted as relatives.

Leo这也太不公平了。

That is deeply unfair.

小悦所以现在的年轻人已经不那么讲究了,但词还在。

Which is why young people don't hold to it much any more. The words are still here, though.

Leo那女的那边呢?

And on the women's side?

小悦爸爸的姐妹叫姑姑,妈妈的姐妹叫姨。

Your father's sisters are gugu. Your mother's sisters are yi.

Leo伯伯、叔叔、舅舅、姑姑、姨。

Bobo, shushu, jiujiu, gugu, yi.

小悦五个词记住,过年就能活下来。

Remember those five and you will survive New Year.

Leo那爷爷奶奶呢?

And grandparents?

小悦爸爸的爸爸妈妈是爷爷奶奶,妈妈的爸爸妈妈是外公外婆。

Your father's parents are yeye and nainai. Your mother's parents are waigong and waipo.

Leo还多了一个外字。

There is an extra character in there, wai, outside.

小悦对,那个外字就是刚才那条老规矩留下来的。

Yes. That wai is what the old rule left behind.

Leo我一直以为会说奶奶就够了。

I always thought knowing nainai was enough.

小悦你奶奶会很高兴你叫对,在她那一辈,叫错是要被说的。

Your grandmother will be delighted when you get it right. In her generation, getting it wrong got you talked about.

Leo那我要是真的不知道该怎么叫呢?

And if I genuinely don't know what to call someone?

小悦这就是你的特权了。

That is where your privilege comes in.

Leo外国人的特权?

A foreigner's privilege?

小悦你可以直接问,我该怎么称呼您。

You can simply ask. Wo gai zenme chenghu nin, what should I call you.

Leo这句话不会失礼吗?

Isn't that rude?

小悦这句话在中国永远不失礼,对方还会觉得你懂事。

That sentence is never rude in China, and the other person will think you were raised well.

Leo我该怎么称呼您。

Wo gai zenme chenghu nin.

小悦还有一句更常用的,请问您贵姓。

There is an even more common one. Qing wen nin gui xing, may I ask your honourable surname.

Leo这个贵是什么意思?

What does gui mean there?

小悦就是抬人。把对方的姓抬高一点,是老话留下来的。

It is lifting again. You raise the other person's surname a little. It is left over from older speech.

Leo那我该怎么回答?

How am I supposed to answer?

小悦别人问你贵姓,你不能说我贵姓陆。

When someone asks your gui xing, you cannot answer, my honourable surname is Lu.

Leo那说什么?

Then what do I say?

小悦说免贵姓陆。免贵这两个字,是自己把自己放低一下。

You say mian gui, xing Lu. Those two characters, mian gui, are you lowering yourself a notch.

Leo一抬一放。

One lift, one lowering.

小悦中文的礼貌,基本上就是这四个字。

Chinese politeness is basically those four characters.

Leo那路上遇到一个七十岁的老人呢?

What if I meet a seventy-year-old on the street?

小悦叫爷爷奶奶都行,也可以叫大爷、大妈,北方特别常用。

Yeye and nainai both work. So do daye and dama, which are especially common in the north.

Leo可他们不是我的爷爷奶奶。

But they aren't my grandparents.

小悦这就是中文最有意思的地方,我们把陌生人也放进家里的位置。

And that is the most interesting thing about Chinese. We put strangers into family positions too.

Leo这不奇怪吗?

Isn't that strange?

小悦一点都不奇怪。你叫她一声阿姨,她心里那道墙就下去一半。

Not strange at all. Call her ayi once and half the wall inside her comes down.

Leo所以称呼是开门的钥匙。

So the form of address is the key that opens the door.

小悦是钥匙,也是一句没说出口的话。

It is a key, and it is also a sentence nobody ever says out loud.

Leo什么话?

Which sentence?

小悦我不把你当外人。

I am not treating you as an outsider.

Leo那年轻人之间呢?我发现他们好像什么都不叫。

And among young people? I have noticed they don't seem to call each other anything.

小悦你观察得很对,年轻人正在把这一套拆掉。

Good observation. Young people are taking the whole system apart.

Leo拆掉?

Taking it apart?

小悦我和我的朋友直接叫名字,或者叫外号,谁都不叫哥叫姐。

My friends and I use given names, or nicknames. Nobody says ge or jie.

Leo那在公司里呢?

And inside companies?

小悦现在有些公司专门规定,不许叫总。

Some companies now have an actual rule against calling anyone zong.

Leo那叫什么?

So what do they say?

小悦叫英文名,或者互相叫同学。

English names, or they call each other tongxue, classmate.

Leo叫同学?可他们不是同学啊。

Classmate? But they aren't classmates.

小悦这就是新的假亲戚。以前用家里的词,现在用学校的词,都是把关系拉近。

That is the new fake family. It used to be words from home, now it is words from school, and both are pulling people closer.

Leo网上呢?我看到很多看不懂的叫法。

And online? I see all kinds of terms I cannot decode.

小悦网上变得更快。小姐姐、小哥哥,这两个是安全的。

Online it moves faster. Xiao jiejie and xiao gege, those two are safe.

Leo还有家人们,我在直播里天天听到。

There is also jia ren men, family. I hear it in livestreams every day.

小悦那是卖东西的人在用,你一个外国人这么说会很奇怪。

That is what people selling things say. Coming from a foreigner it would sound very odd.

Leo那我记住小姐姐和小哥哥就行了。

So I will keep xiao jiejie and xiao gege and leave the rest.

小悦对,别的看着别人用。

Right. Watch other people use the rest.

Leo我发现今天讲的东西,一半都是在躲坑。

I have noticed that half of today has been about dodging holes.

小悦因为称呼做对了没人夸你,做错了大家都记得。

Because nobody praises you for getting an address right, and everybody remembers when you get it wrong.

Leo那我反过来问你,中国人怎么叫我们?我经常听到老外这两个字。

Let me turn it around and ask you. What do Chinese people call us? I hear laowai a lot.

小悦老外现在基本上不带坏意思,比外国人更口语,有时候还带点亲近。

Laowai carries basically no bad meaning now. It is more colloquial than waiguoren, and sometimes it is even affectionate.

Leo我刚回来的时候听着不太舒服。

When I first came back it didn't sit well with me.

小悦能理解。但很多中国人也不知道该怎么叫你。

Understandable. But plenty of Chinese people don't know what to call you either.

Leo他们也在为难?

They are stuck as well?

小悦他们也在做那个一秒钟的判断,只是表里没有你这一栏。

They are making that same one-second judgment. It is just that their table has no row for you.

Leo所以我们两边都在猜。

So both sides are guessing.

小悦对。最好的办法是第一次见面就说,叫我 Leo 就行,或者叫我子谦也行。

Yes. The best move is to say it at the first meeting. Just call me Leo, or Ziqian works too.

Leo把选择送给他们。

Hand them the choice.

小悦对方马上就轻松了。这是你能送给别人的一份小礼物。

And the other person relaxes immediately. It is a small gift you can hand people.

Leo小悦,你自己有没有因为称呼出过事?

Xiao Yue, have you ever had something go wrong over an address?

小悦有。而且是一件我一直记着的事。

I have. And it is one I have never stopped thinking about.

Leo说说看。

Tell me.

小悦我们店刚开的第一年,有一位老太太,每个星期三下午都来。

In the shop's first year there was an old lady who came in every Wednesday afternoon.

Leo常客。

A regular.

小悦非常准时。两点半到,坐窗边,一杯红茶,一块蛋糕。

Extremely punctual. In at half past two, seat by the window, one black tea, one slice of cake.

Leo那你怎么叫她?

What did you call her?

小悦我叫了她一年阿姨。

I called her ayi for a year.

Leo这不是很正常吗?

Isn't that completely normal?

小悦正常。她也没说什么,就是每次都笑一下。

It is. She never said anything either. She just smiled every time.

Leo后来呢?

And then?

小悦有一天下大雨,店里就我们两个人,她多坐了一会儿。

One day it poured, there were only the two of us in the shop, and she stayed a while longer.

Leo然后?

And?

小悦她说,小姑娘,你以后叫我张老师吧。

She said, young lady, from now on call me Zhang laoshi.

Leo她是老师?

She was a teacher?

小悦她教了三十五年语文,退休六年了。

She taught Chinese for thirty-five years. She had been retired for six.

Leo你之前完全不知道。

And you had no idea.

小悦完全不知道。我那一年,一直在叫一个来买蛋糕的阿姨。

No idea at all. For that whole year I had been addressing an auntie who came in for cake.

Leo而她其实是一个教了三十五年书的人。

When she was actually someone who had taught for thirty-five years.

小悦那天以后我每次都叫她张老师。

After that day I called her Zhang laoshi every single time.

Leo她有什么变化吗?

Did anything change?

小悦她开始跟我说话了。说她的学生,说她改过的作文,说她退休那天哭了。

She started talking to me. About her students, about the essays she had marked, about crying on the day she retired.

Leo一个称呼换来这么多。

One word bought all of that.

小悦所以我后来想明白了一件事。

And that is how I worked out one thing.

Leo什么事?

What thing?

小悦称呼不是叫给这个人听的,是叫给这个人的身份听的。

You are not saying it to the person. You are saying it to who that person is.

Leo叫给身份听。

Saying it to who they are.

小悦我叫她阿姨,她就只是一个来买蛋糕的人。

When I called her ayi, she was just someone buying cake.

Leo叫她张老师呢?

And when you called her Zhang laoshi?

小悦她就是三十五年。

Then she was thirty-five years.

Leo这句话有点重。

That sentence is heavy.

小悦你每次开口叫人,其实是在决定,你要看见他的哪一面。

Every time you open your mouth to address someone, you are deciding which side of them you are going to see.

Leo我从来没有这么想过。

I have never once thought about it that way.

小悦大部分中国人也没想过,但是他们做了一辈子。

Most Chinese people haven't thought about it either. They have simply done it their whole lives.

Leo那我以后叫人之前,先想一秒钟。

Then from now on I'll take a second before I call anyone anything.

小悦想一秒钟就够了。这一秒钟,对方可能记一辈子。

One second is enough. That one second, the other person may remember for a lifetime.

Leo那我们理一遍吧,我怕我记不住。

Let's run through it all, I'm afraid I won't remember.

小悦好,我说七条。

All right. Seven rules.

Leo七条,我数着。

Seven. I'm counting.

小悦第一,中文没有万能的称呼,你必须先判断关系。

One. Chinese has no universal form of address, so you have to judge the relationship first.

Leo第一条,先判断关系。

Rule one, judge the relationship.

小悦第二,尊重不是拉远,是往近了叫。

Two. Respect isn't distance. It is calling someone closer.

Leo第二条,往近了叫。

Rule two, call them closer.

小悦第三,不知道就用哥、姐、老师,能救你八成的场面。

Three. When in doubt, ge, jie, laoshi. They will save you eight times out of ten.

Leo第三条,三件套。

Rule three, the set of three.

小悦第四,姓加职务,而且要把副字去掉。

Four. Surname plus title, and drop the word deputy.

Leo第四条,去掉副字。

Rule four, drop deputy.

小悦第五,听别人怎么叫,你跟着叫,但是降一档。

Five. Listen to what others say, follow them, one notch politer.

Leo第五条,会看眼色。

Rule five, read the room.

小悦第六,别单独说小姐,别随便说同志,别乱说家人们。

Six. Never say xiaojie alone, don't casually say tongzhi, don't throw around jia ren men.

Leo第六条,三个别。

Rule six, three don'ts.

小悦第七,实在不知道就问一句,我该怎么称呼您。

Seven. When you truly don't know, just ask, wo gai zenme chenghu nin.

Leo第七条,直接问。

Rule seven, just ask.

小悦这七条你今天带走,明天就能用。

Take these seven away with you today and you can use them tomorrow.

Leo我发现最后一条最简单,可是我从来没用过。

I have realised the last one is the easiest, and I have never once used it.

小悦因为你怕问了显得笨。

Because you are afraid that asking makes you look stupid.

Leo对。

Yes.

小悦可是在中国,问怎么称呼您的人,从来没有被笑过。

But in China, nobody has ever been laughed at for asking what to call someone.

Leo小悦,我想跟你说一件事。

Xiao Yue, there is something I want to tell you.

小悦你说。

Go on.

Leo我回杭州一年多了,所有人都叫我 Leo。

I have been back in Hangzhou for over a year and everyone calls me Leo.

小悦因为好叫,也因为大家看你是外国人。

Because it is easy to say, and because people look at you and see a foreigner.

Leo可是我有一个中文名,陆子谦,是我爷爷给我取的。

But I have a Chinese name. Lu Ziqian. My grandfather gave it to me.

小悦我知道,你说过。

I know. You have told me.

Leo我想请你以后叫我子谦。

I would like you to call me Ziqian from now on.

小悦真的?

Really?

Leo真的。今天你讲了一整期,我才听懂,那个名字就是我爷爷给我画的那条线。

Really. It took a whole episode of you talking for me to understand that the name is the line my grandfather drew for me.

小悦那我试一下。子谦。

Then let me try. Ziqian.

Leo这是我回国以后,第一次有人这样叫我。

That is the first time anyone has called me that since I came home.

小悦那早上那个赌,算你赢了,这个月的蛋糕我请。

Then this morning's bet — you win. Cake is on me this month.

Leo可是我四个人只蒙对了一个。

But I only got one of the four right, and that was luck.

小悦可你晚上把最难的那一个叫对了。

And by tonight you got the hardest one of all right.

Leo谢谢你听我们聊到这里,也希望你下次开口之前,先想那一秒钟。

Thank you for staying with us this far, and next time before you speak, take that one second.

小悦如果你也叫错过人,写在下面告诉我们,我们一起笑一笑。

If you have called someone the wrong thing too, tell us below and we will laugh about it together.

Leo我们下期再见,祝你在中国被叫得舒舒服服。

See you next time, and may everyone in China call you something that feels just right.

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